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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 12:01:01 GMT -5
I have this thread over at another forum but new rules, and new changes to the previously unmoderated OT form ( where I post a lot) has me afraid that one day I will be be banned from that forum. So I am going to attempt to move as much of that thread here. Not sure how it will go, But I will give it a shot.
EDIT: Some pics are missing, they will be added later.
Another marquee thread! Why you ask? This is to augment the already great thread of marquee maintanence started by Mike parker way back in 2003. There was an earlier thread but I could not find it, i think its now linked to his newest thread. I was not into CRT's at that time although I always dreamed about having a CRT set up in my theater.
Most of what I have done was from searching the archives looking for anything Marquee related or something that might benefit my quest to mod my Marquee on my own. The upgrades I have done so far i did at a risk, I have no background with electronics and have learned from mistakes and from the help of others on this and AVS forums, many thanks to them, and some of the things i have done were suggested somewhere else having not been assured that they would work or harm the Projector... but even so i grabbed my barely used soldering iron and began my quest. One of the first mods i did was to the HVPS. This is mentioned in the MMT(Marquee Maintenance Thread), there is where I heard of Jeahong Lee who discovered the noise lowering by changing the Carbon Comp resistors with ceramics. I did a search in the archives for any post by him and from in one of his threads is where McPherve made many suggestions about improving the marquee by replacing older parts with better newer quality parts and possible "Mods". Mike P., KBK, bblue, and others discuss and suggest different ideas about the marquee which also was very valuable and quite interesting and fun to read.
I will come back later to this first post and try to add any links I used while doing the upgrades to my Marquee. I never thought i would be doing anything like this and never kept notes , so its scattered all over both forums and between three computers I have
Time is a rare resource so I may not get to or add new info often.
Lets all have fun doing this and Since I am not an EE any comments or suggestions are absolutely welcome and appreciated. And those techies out there please correct me and call me out on any issue you may have , that way others will take note and decide on their own if they should continue with anything that is being discussed.
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 12:07:24 GMT -5
The first installment I thought should be the Heater filament fix . this is to save the tubes from over voltage to the heater elements in the tube causing premature failure. remove the LVPS from the projector and open up the case being careful to remove all connectors before completely opening. Locate the 6.35 voltage trim pot on the section that houses the fans. a 470 ohm metal film resistor and a 20ohm trim pot is needed. here is a close up pic. remove the old pot that causes the drifting of the voltage as shown herethen I wrapped one end of the resistor around the existing resistor as shown, I did this backward for the pics, I should have cut the trace first as in the next pic after this one.this pic you can see the trace cut and the resistor soldered to the other resistor, i found it easier to keep the lead on the resistor then cutting it after its all done.Then I fed the other lead through the whole that the cut trace goes to. Make sure all the old solder is removed so the pin from the trim pot can also fit.Now with the new trim pot in place.Back side of board showing lead from resistor and trim pot leads.Solder the pins from under and put power supply back together and test the output before you connect P14. trim pot to get as close to 6.35 as you can. While you have the cage for the power supply out you can cut the screen area to allow better airflow and it could also help reduce and turbulent noise, i used a pair of metal snips then a file to smooth it out. I also added dynamat to the inside stop any vibrations in the chasis. A fan noise post will also be in this thread too. Parts needed: I get mine from Newark: www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=62J1506www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=94C3568Athanasios
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 12:09:48 GMT -5
I first saw this mod on the MMT and then went to Jeahong Lee's thread: some way to improve PQ greatly in Marquee 9500The reason for this mod is to remove the older noisy carbom composition resitors, these are in the G2 signal and the resulst vary from projector to projector but there is a reduction in background noiseespecially in lighter scenes. I also noted an increase in shadow details. Remove HVPS and open up unpotted section. remove all the carbon comp resistors and replace with 2 watt ceramic ohmites of same value. Also I changed the 4 large caps with polypropylene caps of same value. this doesn't have to be done unless the caps are leaking or not close to rated value. Mine were fine but I did it anyhow. What i am going to say next is only after you do this mod and have a problem with the other tubes staying on when having only one tube on. to test for the tube intensity anomaly as I call it: After you put power supply back in turn on projector and bring up the grid. Now select one color at a time by pressing color then 1(red) 2 (green) 3 (blue). Do one at a time starting with red... look into the other tubes and see if you can see the grid displaying on another color . A very very light grid is not too bad of a problem and wont show up on the screen. However Some of use who have done this complete mod with caps and resistors have had it where when one color is on the tother tube or tubes are also lit up to the point it can show up on the screen. I and one other person have decide to measure the value of the resistor we took out and replaced with the 560kohm ones. Mine were close to 680kohm, I thought that if i increased the value of the ceramic resistor to that of the old drifted ones the anamoly might go away, which it did. now I did not notice any ill effect so far with this increase. And if you don't notice a problem with the projected image then leave the 560kohms in. It might only happen with the cap changes not sure but post back your results here, I would like to find out if others have noticed this as well. Mike Parker has not noticed this happening to the ones he has done and suggested to me not to change the value, howwver it was way to bright and it was affecting my picture. After the fix all is well after many hours of use. Here are pics of the HVPS:Leave room for resistors to breath !!Part numbers for Ohmite Resistors560K 2W OY564K 6 1K OY102K 3 220 2W OY221K 2 270K OX274K 2 470K OY474K 1 Caps:www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=18M2493www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=37M0653EDIT: To keep the HVPS regulated better for the transients from Dark to Bright with out blooming Chris Stevens added 4 125f 100 volt Wet tantalums to the 390 volt rail coming into the HVPS. Well to find those caps cheap is not easy. So I came up with using A single HV Film Cap. here it is on Justins HVPS.
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 12:11:43 GMT -5
Now moving on to the Focus board. I have two boards here that I upgraded. The first was one of the the newer boards 50-2034-02p the older board that I show myself working on is a 50-2004-03p that looks like it had some of the tech note performed to them. the resistors added to the op amp were to resolve a problem with a possible bad batch of MC34084 op amps. These will be replaced but i decided to keep the tech note additions there since I am sure it was added to some chips that were not problematic. Newer board after upgrades Older Board before up grades A desoldering iron is handy here, i would suggest getting one especially when getting to the op Amp removal. Desoldering power rail capIt is very important when using the desoldering iron after each use to expel any molten solder as to not spray it all over the board when moving on to the next pin removal. Expeling solderWorking on the power supply area first. Replace C5 and C10 with same value (470uf) higher voltage caps low esr caps would be a good choice but not mandatory. Power rail caps to replaceI also decided after doing this to my Vim And CLM to add inductors to the same rails just incase any unwanted noise is lurking about. I used 27uh indictors, Make sure they are at least 3 amp rated, 1031 pointed that out to me after he measured the current on those rails, you need to lift the one end of the resistors and add the inductors . Location of resistors to liftNewer beefier 27uf high current inductors[/url] Edit: Added mod to +/- 24 volt railsI decided to go ahead and add inductors to the +/- 24 volt rails, this requires cutting the trace and scratching two locations on either side of trace to mount Big Beefy 27uf inductor. Cut and scratched trace - 24 volt do the same further up the trace for +24 voltNow add inductors to scratched trace areas here are both inductors in place. You may want to hot glue the inductors in place so they don't accidentally rip the trace out if bumped while removing a a later time for any other maintenance. Inductors on +/- 24 volt railsAthanasios
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 12:12:53 GMT -5
Next we are going to replace 4 caps for each color for a total of 12. this I got from an old post By Chris Johnson and from the jeahong_lee thread were Mcpherv changed out some of the same caps that CJ changed. CJ's link is gone so i cant go back to explain what he wrote about this mod. From Mcpherv's comments the 6 1uf or 22uf caps ,depending on which board you have, couple the dynamic focus output and should be fairly important. I used 22uf caps to replace the older boards 1uf go with a higher voltage than 50 and low ESR like the panasonic FC series. I always do one section(color) at a time and test the board after each change incase I goof and something doesn't work it's a lot easier to track down a bad solder or backwards placed cap....having said that, on the newer boards caps C102,103,202,203,302,and 303 are marked for their polarity on the older boards they are not and I had to find out the polarity. the pics here are from the older board. so in this pic the positive side of the 22uf cap will go to the wider trace or the one farthest from the heat sink on the back of the board. And we will replace the 6 470uf 35v caps with 1000uf 35 or 50 v caps.These decouple the 24volt rails and half of the dynamic focus circuit. C108,208,308,107,207,307. Removed caps 308 and 303Caps 302,303,307,and 308 in placeclose up Now test the section you changed by ramping the focus up and down making sure it functions properly. If all is well do the other colors in the same manner. Another section of the dynamic focus are coupled by C120,220, and 320. these are 2.2uf 250v caps . Replace with same value higher voltage caps of same type. I went with 305 volt. EDIT 11/17/2013:Wima Caps would be even better removing capNew cap in placeonce again test after change this time you can test after all three are swapped out. Next are the op amps u101,201 and 301 they will either be MC34074 or MC34084. these are noisy and distortive. Idealy I wanted to replace them with the OPA4134 but they no longer come in the DIP package so i found the TLE2074 which is less noisy and distortive. these can be gotten from Texas Instruments as free samples. Now if you have a newer board you may not see the added diodes to the op amp as in my photos. I also decided to swap over the tech note diodes to the TLE2074's incase they do something else beside protect the op amp. Op amp with DiodesRemoving Diode assembly from op ampNow you need to remove the solder from underneath, i used the desoldering Iron, if you cant get it all out you will need to use some desoldering braid as well. Underside of op amp sectionAfter you remove as much of the solder as possible you may have to use a screwdriver or an exacto knive as i have to push any pins away from any remaining solder in the through holes. Now is the hard part, you dont want to pull any of the through hole or traces out from the board so begin loosening the chip slowly from the board i use a flat screwdriver to wiggle it loose then a IC puller while wiggling it. you may have to use your free hand to touch your soldering iron to the underside of any stuck pin while holding the board vertically and pulling on the chip from the top side, this takes practice but if you have a vice to hold the board its much easier. IC pullerthen place new chip into through holes make sure all solder is out or it will be almost impossible to place new chip, I put one side in then use a very small flat head screw driver to push each pin towards its appropriate hole. New chip in placenow if you have the resistor assembly replace that to chip.Be carfull when removing that chip you can see in this next pic where i melted a cap with the iron!!!!:shock: replacing Diode assembly Now solder from underneath and test after each op amp removal as stated before. that completes the focus board. Athanasios
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:37:39 GMT -5
I think doing this tread is harder than doing the actual upgrades!!!!! I have a whole new respect for MP and his work, putting together that MMT must have been a lot of work but this is sooo much fun too!
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:39:02 GMT -5
Joust Said: He's probably very busy with the Barco and G90 mods. I hope he dosen't ask me any technical questions! I just found all this stuff and tried it out on my own. I have read up on a lot of the stuff and am trying to learn . Sooo many people here and on AVS have helped me in understanding how CRT's work and also the electronics involved. This hobby has truly become an addiction for me and I LOVE IT!!!! Athanasios
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:40:11 GMT -5
Joust I was looking for a way to add inductor on the focus board for the +/- 24 volt rails but both pins at the connector go to the board and lifting them is not an option. Do you thinking cutting the two traces and adding the inductor there is a wise idea? those are thick traces.
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:41:27 GMT -5
its in this picture of the power supply decoupling. the two pins on the right. you can see the one trace has -24 the one below it is the +24 rail. I was just thinking that the trace is very wide so I would have to bend the lead that will connect to that cut rail and set it perpendicular so it goes across the whole width of the trace or wont it matter much and just use lots of solder? Athanasios
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:41:51 GMT -5
Those traces go to the caps we replaced , through a resistor. I think its a 1 ohm resistor i dont have the board here in front of me I have some color wheel inductors that i wanted to replace that resistor with. but none I have measured have a 1 ohm resistance the closest was a 100uh at .7ohm,s I dont think that would hurt anything being off by 3 tenths of an ohm.
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by nashou on Apr 1, 2015 17:46:04 GMT -5
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