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Post by thespianator on Nov 26, 2016 22:33:17 GMT -5
Some time back I got myself a Peak ESR meter with the hope that I could not only locate bad caps IN CIRCUIT, but also see if new caps that I used for replacement were in spec, and check on the sum of film caps I paralleled together for use in crossovers. I know they are usually 20% tolerance, but I like to know the part I'm installing is good.
So when I dragged home a Line 6 Spider II guitar amp (that I got for next to nothing at a garage sale) that would go pop after about 5-6 seconds after turn-on, I decided to look for bad caps, as Chinese caps are typically suspect and I was working on the hypothesis that a bad cap was causing the problem.
With no power applied, I came across a 100uF 10V cap that read 1066uf in circuit, so I thought it was bad. I pulled it, and it read 99uF out of circuit. Scratched my head, then reinstalled it and it read nearly the same 1066uF.
What does this mean? Is there an issue in the circuit that the cap is in? Some caps read open/leaky, and I'm guessing that's due to the circuit it's in. But seeing a reading that's 10 times the rating is confusing.
Thanks!
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nashou
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Post by nashou on Nov 27, 2016 16:28:58 GMT -5
What is the ESR reading? That meter I think can read the ESR in circuit but maybe not the uf's in circuit.
I alway test out of circuit.
But look for other caps in parallel to that cap , they might add up to the 1066uf. nashou
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Post by thespianator on Nov 27, 2016 22:32:28 GMT -5
Hi Nashou, thanks for your assistance. The meter was designed and marketed to test in circuit. That's why I bought it to begin with, but alas, I still need to know something about electronics! I've completely recapped a couple of old amps / receivers, and it was a fun project. Eventually I wanted to know how much of what I was replacing actually was bad. I was surprised to find out that there weren't as many out-of-spec caps as one would have suspected given that the receiver was 30+ years old. I still shotgunned the whole thing. I'll check for schematics for the Line 6 and see what's parallel to it. (Actually it was 1056 uF). FWIW, there are a few other caps that are testing around 3-4 ohms ESR. Does that mean they should be replaced? The symptom was that the guitar amp would emit one loud pop shortly after being turned on. Some of the lights in front that had just turned on would go out. I took the sellers word that it didn't work, but maybe I should have verified that and noted which lights went off. I was guessing that there was a bad cap that was charging but then would not hold. These amps are not great quality, but they are modeling amps which are fun to play through. The caps are all, except for one I'm not sure about, LH Nova from www.fenghua-advanced.com. Chinese caps are notorious for short lives, so I am told. So that was where I started looking. Nothing vented, bulged, or with shrunken wrap.
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Post by Casethecorvetteman on Dec 3, 2016 3:50:29 GMT -5
3-4 ohms ESR reading might be fine if that cap is quite small, need to get a chart to see what readings should be, and base your findings and theories off that.
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Post by thespianator on Dec 4, 2016 14:56:02 GMT -5
3-4 ohms ESR reading might be fine if that cap is quite small, need to get a chart to see what readings should be, and base your findings and theories off that. Thanks. I have the chart that came with the meter, but it is quite general and also the lowest value on it is a 4.7uf 10V cap. According to the chart the ESR goes from 42 Ohms at 10V to 8.5 at 630V. Downloaded some other charts, thanks for the reminder. They all say the values are very general.
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