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Post by craigr on Oct 31, 2020 17:01:02 GMT -5
I just bought two brand new JBL Synthesis SDA-7200's. I took one out of the box and the other still sits... As much good things as I've heard about the 7200's the fact that they are class D and only weigh like 26 lbs just rubs my snobbish audiophile sensibilities the wrong way in spite of the fact that my hearing sucks now. In any event, I simply couldn't get these darn Lexicon LX-7's out of my head that were listed on eBay as "for parts, not working." After I bought the JBL's I just couldn't help myself and worked out a deal for the Lexicons and they arrived yesterday. I finished the repairs on the two today (stayed up until 4:00 AM last night) and and am so pleasantly surprised. I think this was perhaps the best gamble I've ever taken. Unfortunately, one was built in 2002 and the other in 2006 so they are different hardware revisions. I really assumed they would be the same having come out of the same lot. I would have liked to have been able to swap all parts between the two, but oh well. Both are incredibly low hours for their age. The 2002 model got a bit more use. The amps use active cooling so fans tend to bring in the dust and it piles up. The 2002 had very little dust in it and looked really quite clean on the inside. I could not believe the 2006 unit when I opened it. It must have less than 100 hours use; there wasn't even any dust on the fan blades or settled on any of the boards. Here they are all fixed up and cleaned up: Now this is what I'm talking about, real AB amps with some oomf. They weigh a ton and have a massive transformer and 96,000uf filter caps. 7x200 watts per channel continuous to all seven channels simultaneously. I've got some questions on these that I'll put in the next post below. Woohoo! Best regards guys, craigr
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Post by craigr on Oct 31, 2020 17:01:36 GMT -5
So first off, I am trying to figure out what the trigger receptacle terminator plug is. I started a thread over here if anyone can help out with that? repairalmostanything.com/thread/855/help-kind-plug-terminatorIt has been suggested that it may be a Phoenix / Euroblock connector, but I'm not so sure because the dimensions don't seem correct? I also really want the service manual and schematics for these and have come up blank finding them. I know Lexicon is super tight lipped with there data sheets, but does anybody have them they could share. I do promise to keep them private. Also, I need to run these on 220~240 VAC and they are the USA versions. On the main board of the 2002 amp there is this plug (the 2006 amp has something similar): It seems all I need do is unplug the transformer from 120v and plug it into 230v? And, I'd need to half the fuse value too obviously. Can someone confirm this because I really don't want to try by experimentation. The amps are working well so I just don't want to catch them on fire yet. Other than that I think I'm good. I would have over paid if they turned out to be boxes of bolts, but for once I finally came out on top! Best, craigr
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Post by craigr on Oct 31, 2020 17:31:44 GMT -5
Oh yeah, one other big thing! If I decide to keep these I think I want to have them reanodized in black. I know if I want to keep the silk screening that I have to get that copied first, remove the old anodization layer, resurface, reanodize, and then have the silkscreen restored (obviously in a different color; I'd match my MC-10). Can anyone point me to a shop that can at least do the reanodizing?
I am considering skipping the silk screening because there isn't really much there. I'm also considering trying to do the resurfacing myself either with sandpaper or by sandblasting.
Can any of you point me to good anodizing shops? Also any tips would be appreciated. I've seen prices on other forums for around $200 to do one faceplate, but that may be dated now.
Thanks again, craigr
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Post by mastertech on Nov 1, 2020 10:48:52 GMT -5
No manuals or schematics from any of my sources.
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Post by craigr on Nov 1, 2020 10:52:13 GMT -5
No manuals or schematics from any of my sources. Thanks for looking Mac. Lexicon keeps their stuff tight. I have contacts at Harmon so I'll try this week to squeeze the manuals out of them... but, I doubt it. These manuals are also "no longer supported by Lexicon." $6k amps that are not supported is stupid. They should at least support information even if not supporting parts. I think there are only like two places in the USA "authorized" to service these and they have the manuals, but you know Best, craigr
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Post by mastertech on Nov 1, 2020 10:56:30 GMT -5
Yeah, thats why I hung up my soldering iron and switched hobbies. Much happier now, lol.
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Post by craigr on Nov 7, 2020 3:04:41 GMT -5
Yeah, thats why I hung up my soldering iron and switched hobbies. Much happier now, lol. What? I seriously cannot imagine you dropping the iron What the heck are you doing now that is so fun?!? For the record, the trigger uses this terminator: www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/phoenix-contact/1758856/2511167Phoenix Contact 1758856 TERM BLOCK PLUG 2POS STR 5.08MM And it's BLACK, not the other stupid colors that seem to be primarily available. Also, to convert back and forth between 120v and 230v, yes just move the connector on the board(s). However, there is a second power supply actually under the toroidal. It is good to go and can accept any voltage between 110-240v, but it has it's own fuse. I couldn't figure out if it's Slow Blow or not, so I ordered both. The primary fuse is 20 amps Fast Blow when on 120v, but I've seen plenty of Lexicons that use more power at 230v for some reason, so I also ordered 12 amp fast blow fuses. If I blow the 10 amp fuses for no reason I will just start using the 12 amp fuses. I'll also start with the FB fuses in the second power supply. F11103-ND FUSE CERM 10A 250VAC 125VDC F3223-ND FUSE CERM 12A 250VAC 125VDC F4626-ND FUSE CERAMIC 1.6A 250VAC 5X20MM F1698-ND FUSE CERAMIC 1.6A 250VAC 5X20MM www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/littelfuse-inc/0314010.VXP/3426471www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/littelfuse-inc/0314012.HXP/777297www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/littelfuse-inc/021601.6MXP/777502www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/littelfuse-inc/021501.6MXP/777446Now to get the faceplates redone . craigr
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Post by mastertech on Nov 9, 2020 10:12:54 GMT -5
Yeah, thats why I hung up my soldering iron and switched hobbies. Much happier now, lol. What? I seriously cannot imagine you dropping the iron What the heck are you doing now that is so fun?!? Now to get the faceplates redone . craigr I've been buying and redoing old muscle cars and street rods. Some are projects that someone started and did not finish. Some I sell and some I keep. Maybe keeping more then selling, lol.
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Post by tibimakai on Nov 9, 2020 11:03:32 GMT -5
I'm thinking about, maybe not switching completely, but I'm considering building a Locost. Mastertech, you will still be around to help?
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Post by howie on Dec 6, 2020 10:39:21 GMT -5
Hi Craig. It's me. Oh, the name doesn't ring a bell. Well, I have 2 of your repaired Dune players and you have 2 of my repaired Dune remotes. What did you find wrong with these amps and have you had any luck finding manuals? Lexicon. Madrigal, Mark Levinson, Proceed all the same me thinks. I have one amp module down in my Proceed Amp5. So now it's a hundred and something pound 4 channel amp.
Oh, as far as changing the color of the fronts DIY, have you considered trying gun black. It's like stain for metal.
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Post by craigr on Feb 18, 2021 16:15:28 GMT -5
Hi Craig. It's me. Oh, the name doesn't ring a bell. Well, I have 2 of your repaired Dune players and you have 2 of my repaired Dune remotes. What did you find wrong with these amps and have you had any luck finding manuals? Lexicon. Madrigal, Mark Levinson, Proceed all the same me thinks. I have one amp module down in my Proceed Amp5. So now it's a hundred and something pound 4 channel amp. Oh, as far as changing the color of the fronts DIY, have you considered trying gun black. It's like stain for metal. Hey we've texted a lot since you posted this so I think we covered everything you asked about. I never found schematics for these. CROWN made these amps back before CROWN was purchased by Harmon. Harmon flat out refused to give them to me and that was that. The gun black was a good idea, but just so others know, I inquired and was informed that it would not work on Aluminum craigr
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Post by craigr on Feb 18, 2021 16:15:44 GMT -5
I just got the faceplates back today after having them reanodized in black. They were done at Mike's Anodizing Company here in Chicago (859 N Spaulding Ave, 773-722-5778). Mike says he likes doing little projects like these, and he personally spent a good amount of time with me. He gave me a tour of their facility and it is really something and it sure is bigger than I expected. He also said they would take a week, but I brought them in Monday morning around 10:00 and they were finished Wednesday afternoon. I considered matching the texture of the LX-7's with the MC-10, but Mike said he'd have to send them out for that. It would have taken a week and cost $115 plus shipping. Mike thought I'd be really happy leaving them as-is and boy he was right. It would have been a waste. He also said their military black would be a near perfect match to the MC-10 and he was correct there too. Lexicon black is like pitch black, which is a bit atypical for AV gear, but Mike said this is what the military expects when they ask for black. He really knows his stuff and I highly recommend the company. They also stripped the old anodization before the reanodization. I removed the original silkscreen myself with Goof Off, a Q-tip, a microfiber, and some elbow grease. I don't want to post pricing because it's not my intention to box them in, but I will say I found the price very reasonable. I really wanted to attempt this on my own, but I doubt my results would have been nearly this good and I am sure procuring everything to do it would have actually cost more (plus a lot of time). I had to over expose the photos in my theater because it's hard to see anything in there due to the entire room being black and nonreflective. Also, there is a bit of a trick of the light and they don't look the same color in the photo, but they are. I even switched the two faceplates to be sure. I think it's the black leather chair reflecting off the bottom one a bit. Anyway, I have to decide if I want to restore the original silkscreen or not. I think they look good the way they are already, but maybe they would be better. Mike and some other folks have recommended having them laser etched instead of silkscreen, and Mike gave me a referral for that. I'm waiting for their quite before I decide. Oh yeah, another thing is that after I took the photos I added neutral density filters to the LEDs so they wouldn't be so bright in my dark room. I just barely like to be able to see them in the dark so they aren't distracting, but they still provide their information (blue is nominal, red is overheat...). I'm quite please craigr
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Post by craigr on Feb 19, 2021 9:15:49 GMT -5
What? I seriously cannot imagine you dropping the iron What the heck are you doing now that is so fun?!? Now to get the faceplates redone . craigr I've been buying and redoing old muscle cars and street rods. Some are projects that someone started and did not finish. Some I sell and some I keep. Maybe keeping more then selling, lol. LOL Mac I didn't see your post until just now. Muscle cars sounds like more fun than audio right now. I was way into cars until collage when I lived in the dorm and had to quit. Maybe one day again... craigr
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Post by craigr on Feb 19, 2021 9:36:44 GMT -5
Here is one with the dimmed LED's. The photo is still over exposed so they appear brighter than they really are, but you get the idea. craigr
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Post by mastertech on Feb 19, 2021 14:47:27 GMT -5
I've been buying and redoing old muscle cars and street rods. Some are projects that someone started and did not finish. Some I sell and some I keep. Maybe keeping more then selling, lol. LOL Mac I didn't see your post until just now. Muscle cars sounds like more fun than audio right now. I was way into cars until collage when I lived in the dorm and had to quit. Maybe one day again... craigr No problem, lol. I figured you drifted away for awhile. Yes, cars are much more relaxing.
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