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Post by justin on Nov 28, 2015 10:58:52 GMT -5
please excuse my ignorance as I dont mean to be rude. what parts of the neckboard are hard to find? the plastic plug looks like an easy part to have plastic injection molded? and is there a reason why the board is attached to the neck and not remotely allocated elsewhere out of the way with wires to the neck pins? and use a slide on plug on each wire instead of the plastic plug part?
I figured the convergence was the key reason for doing this. I notice you mention it allows alot more adjustment. does this mean it can make for a sharper or just as sharp picture with hqf and 9" lugs as the barco 909s? or are the boards on the barco 909s what help make the set the sharpest?
if its not, what is the key reason for you persuing this? you have peaked my curiosity. is it availability of the boards and longevity of parts? the necs look so much smaller than the barco 909. not having owned an nec before, are the less boards? is it possible to reproduce the nec boards and have a frankenstein of a set that could last for years (or as long as tubes are made available)
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Post by justin on Nov 28, 2015 7:06:29 GMT -5
also. the neck board pcb isnt huge. surely it could be reverse engineered and a bunch of new pcbs could be made?
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Post by justin on Nov 28, 2015 7:04:14 GMT -5
this sounds great casey. I had been thinking about doing this with a bg808... as the hardware is cheaper than a 909? and more available.
I have a cnc machine I was thinking about using to machine aluminium plate and fold it to fit the 909 case.
really though. its the hqf lenses and lug tubes that make the late model 9" barco so great? not so much the ability of the boards? is that correct?
I presume the xg can resolve 1080p at 60hz which is really all we do with the cine 9/909? I dont see anyone driving it to its limits.
does the xg 909 combo retain the unreliable barco quad?
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Post by justin on Nov 5, 2015 6:27:34 GMT -5
i noticed going from 1920x1080@60 on my cine 9 to its max resolution, the fan goes full noise. definately a resolution dependant thing!
thats all~
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Post by justin on Nov 1, 2015 1:22:01 GMT -5
thanks casey!
i have been fiddling with the cine 9 over the last week. i got my video drivers sorted and am feeding it 1080p 60hz from my pc with ease. using a htpc is becoming somewhat unappealing to me now (aside from gaming and emulator use.) so, an oppo 103d au will be the first thing i'll purchase. i will also purchase the moome card as discussed above. netflix has been okay on the htpc, but i noticed alot of the content resolution varies. is this something the oppo can take control of (as in, force a certain size?) or will i need a scaler? i dont know alot about projectors and screen sizes. does the content of blurays vary alot? i presume the 120" diagonal 16:9 covers all aspect ratios? for 4:3 and 16:9?
i think i am going to leave the cine 9 for now until i move into my new home. i am also definately going to need someone to come around and calibrate/setup the projector with me when i do. i dont quite understand some terminology like "wind the coils back." i had a look at the back of the tube necks and can see two plastic things that rotate around the glass. i presume thats what you are referring to. i dont want to damage anything so i'll just leave it for now. however, the cine 9 has definately got some jittering on the lower 1/3 of the screen on all tubes. and i am certain the cine 9 is going in and out of focus from each time i use it. i turned the projector warm up setting on but havent turned it back on since doing so.
i did enjoy viewing it poorly setup. its got better colours than the medium level epson i saw a few weeks ago. which pleases me alot! its the brightness that i am concerned about, but with a 1.26 gain majestic screen you recommend im sure it'll pop. i plan to have a no window room for the final setup. i am just curious what its like to have a light in the room with these crt's, as i would like to have racing/football/ufc events projected on this set. and sitting in a dark room all day is unappealing for some? would a rear projection setup be worth the trouble? i was looking over the avsforum for rear projection setups in a well lit room i found a few awesome threads.
anyway. thanks for all the help. not sure if its worth ordering boards from greg now or when the projectors setup. as it may be a setup issue causing this fuzzy line? and drifting? i definately want a pro around when its getting mounted to the roof.
best regards,
justin
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Post by justin on Oct 24, 2015 21:27:17 GMT -5
hello all. just updating where i got with all this. i bought a vga to bnc cable at below half price ($128 down to $50) at 10m long. some real heavy fancy cables. got it hooked upto my cine 9 and couldnt get an image to display. after some pc trouble shooting, i moved the bnc cables around only to find they werent seated in the projector correctly. as nice as they were, i returned them for a $17 vga to bnc cable at 2m long. they work perfect. no issues at all. i bought a no brand hdmi to vga (3d capable) convertor box for $60. it works well (tried it on my pc lcd monitor) but found a dvi to vga plug that came with my motherboard. i bypassed the hdmi convertor under caseys suggestion and went with my onboard graphics card dvi out to vga, then vga to bnc. it works well, however, as i didnt install the onboard graphics drivers, i am limited to 1024x768 resolution for now. its very undesireable. i installed powerstrip thinking it would let me adjust the resolution to whatever i wanted, but it doesnt. i was originally going to build a htpc with bluray, netflix etc. but after also having a jaggy motion output from the onboard card, i want to move away from htpc's. i am thinking about getting a hdfury 4 (with 3d capability - not that its something i desire, but like to have the ability to do so.) and use it with the hdmi out from my bose switch/amp and into the cine 9. the bose switch/amp allows upto four hdmi inputs and strips the audio. after talking with casey, i plan to buy an oppo for all my bluray/dvd content. netflix is hit and miss at the moment with my current internet connection. so i am thinking an xbox/playstation with netflix app for all other content. i havent done a full setup on the cine 9. i have only just fit the new cable and got the alignments and convergence right. i am new to crt projectors so i really had no idea what the convergence was all about. i am impressed how the input is manipulated to any shape we desire! i have yet to touch the tubes for any adjustments. i am nervous opening that lid! i dont want to wreck anything. i can shift and adjust the raster and image within the tubes now. i think ive spotted a burn in image on the green and blue tubes. it looks like a windows task bar! pretty pissed about that! now my eyes cannot unsee it. i am hoping its an artifact from something i am doing wrong, but doubt it. the fuzzy lines come and go. this morning i fired it up and it was present lightly and went away. fired it up now and can see alot of moving fuzzy lines through the lower half of the projected image. is it possible for the focus to come and go also? not sure if its my eyes or the projector, but i feel at times the focus goes blurry after some time? i hope i can fix or overcome these issues with creative raster/image placement on the tubes without having to replace the tubes? i have alot to learn and a long way to go. i am only projecting onto a half curtain and half wall unfortunately for now. i am renting and dont have a fixed screen yet. i cant move the projector back any further so i am limited in screen size also. i find that using the cine 9 as a monitor for navigating the internet and pc is plenty bright in an uncontrolled slightly sunlit room at 60 brightness and 50 contrast, but the second i watch a movie, it gets really washed out. i can see the need for a high gain screen and a light controlled room. i plan to have a total darkness room for the cine 9 when we buy our first home early next year. i love the nostalgia with this technology and the sheer size and ability of the set, but see why people move toward an lcos projector set for ease of use and less maintenance as a trade off for some of the crt's strengths. best regards, justin
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Post by justin on Oct 13, 2015 6:36:00 GMT -5
thats right, not like theres any other sources for good parts? I will make an enquiry with greg tomorrow about what he has for my set.
what is your video chain casey? I was always going to build a htpc with a bluray player and run hdmi out into a hdfury then into the cine 9. theres a guy in melbourne carrying hdfury4's for 300$. was going to nab one.
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Post by justin on Oct 13, 2015 5:50:42 GMT -5
yeah spare parts for my cine 9. looks like greg will be getting my business too. whats the thing most prone to failing? I have read youve been through a few quads now. are other boards hard to come by? I originally wanted to have a blend of cine 9's but the second set I came across locally came up at a bad time and had to reluctantly let it go. now I wish I just bought it. are the 1209s' the next best set to a cine 9? can the cine 9 lenses be adapted to fit a 1209s?
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Post by justin on Oct 13, 2015 5:27:47 GMT -5
casey I am overwhelmed by your help! above and beyond. thank you again.
you have a solid game collection there. I love that you play games on it! I would love to play the warriors on a 120" cine 9 projected image.
I wish I had a place to hang my projector but thats months away. I am also keen to know where you ordered new spare parts from!
I will get back to you tomorrow (on night shift now) with how I go.
cheers!!
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Post by justin on Oct 13, 2015 1:59:03 GMT -5
thanks for the prompt reply casey. this is exactly what i did. i changed the grey wires only. the manual is so vague. hopefuly there is no damage to the set. i changed the wires back and flipped the plugs. now its the right orientation and it says fron/table! thank you again.
now to pour through your post about setting it up and walking through it.
i just quickly ran through the installation menu. i got upto the raster centering section. its hard to see the image. is it okay to adjust brightness to make it more visible? i also noticed my blue and red are larger than the tube. does the size of the raster come after centering? or cant you size the raster? sorry for the newbie questions. i have tomorrow off work and will pour through some more manuals and try learn more before i ask silly questions.
best regards,
justin
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Post by justin on Oct 13, 2015 0:58:16 GMT -5
hello redfox. your assumption is correct. i only changed the grey jumper wires for h/v. the cine 9 identification page says its setup for front table now (which is what i was after), but the picture is upside down still. deleting all the memory blocks didnt change the image orientation either. do i need to flip the actual plug around too? and change the jumper wires to suit the front table setup too? here are some pictures of the plugs currently looking in from the lenses. do i just need to flip the plug (red and blue the other way around and green and yellow the other way around?) and change the jumper wires back over to correspond to the manual instructions? i also noticed at the back right corner of the set there is black dust around a pcb. i touched it and it came off onto my finger. its not baked on. i am a little concerned about that! i noticed it BEFORE i touched the jumper wires, fyi.
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Post by justin on Oct 12, 2015 5:05:57 GMT -5
oh wow! thank you casey this is exactly what I need. I watched the video on youtube about setting up the sony crt and believe the basics apply to my setup also.
funny how todays projectors use crts as a benchmark! I get nostalgic just looking at these projectors!
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Post by justin on Oct 12, 2015 4:38:34 GMT -5
hello all. thanks casey for the heads up.
I have a barco cine 9 with 3300 hours I have been sitting on for about four years just stored in a dry spare room.
I fired up the set yesterday after visiting a local home theater shop to look at what digital was upto. they only had epsons on display and the mid range only had brightness and size on its side. the high end laser epson was $9k and dimm. it was not impressive. I like the simplicity and size of the digital but couldnt bring myself to buy one without trying my cine 9.
Ideally I want 120" 16:9 but am afraid the cine 9 may not have the brightness or may be too soft? I also dont have a screen right now as i am renting. my throw for now is 2.2-2.4m.
I fired up the projector and its upside down (front ceiling mode). I changed the j jumper wires as per the manual instructions and checked the projector identity. its now set to front table as desired but the image is still upside down.
I also noticed the picture isnt entirely stable. at this stage I hope its just incorrect raster setup.
best regards,
justin.
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