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Post by wolfman on May 7, 2018 13:15:43 GMT -5
What's wrong with long retrace when that by itself almost removes all ringing? I can't see any useful meaning with short retrace. It only makes it a lot harder to fit the screen widthswise.
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Post by jbmeyer13 on May 7, 2018 14:02:07 GMT -5
What's wrong with long retrace when that by itself almost removes all ringing? I can't see any useful meaning with short retrace. It only makes it a lot harder to fit the screen widthswise. It clips the image |
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Post by wolfman on May 7, 2018 14:53:09 GMT -5
I think that both clips the image a Little bit. An inch on both sides with long but need to look at short once more.
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Post by jbmeyer13 on May 8, 2018 8:46:49 GMT -5
I think that both clips the image a Little bit. An inch on both sides with long but need to look at short once more. Short doesn't clip the image and if it does in your case there's something wrong with your set up. |
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Post by stridsvognen on May 8, 2018 14:30:32 GMT -5
I think that both clips the image a Little bit. An inch on both sides with long but need to look at short once more. Have you been listening to MP again ? |
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Post by racerxnet on May 8, 2018 15:25:48 GMT -5
Mp is showing his UNCALIBRATED turd vs Nidi. Still a turd at the end of the day. Nidi, are you running Giaky's boards?
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Post by wolfman on May 9, 2018 6:50:11 GMT -5
Listen to MP about what? The chat we had about White and black crush? I know the bearded man looks like that you showed it to me. But from a far MP images looks like the real thing to me and great looking to. There are nuances to his beard while the other guy seems to have made a screen cap because they Always have that weird yellow tint on the entire frame. Another images shows the face armor as bronzw looking because of that yellow tint, Mp? Oh they show to be chrome as one would expect. They also look muted and boring to me so I would hope that is not the case irl viewing. I've told the Norwedian many times as he posts screen caps a lot before they look yellow.. they do!
Now, on Close up it reverses, then MP looks really odd, like you said "plastic" and murky in parts of the face like one Eye almost invincble. That's also true..
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Post by racerxnet on May 9, 2018 8:00:16 GMT -5
Listen to MP about what? The chat we had about White and black crush? I know the bearded man looks like that you showed it to me. But from a far MP images looks like the real thing to me and great looking to. There are nuances to his beard while the other guy seems to have made a screen cap because they Always have that weird yellow tint on the entire frame. Another images shows the face armor as bronzw looking because of that yellow tint, Mp? Oh they show to be chrome as one would expect. They also look muted and boring to me so I would hope that is not the case irl viewing. I've told the Norwedian many times as he posts screen caps a lot before they look yellow.. they do! Now, on Close up it reverses, then MP looks really odd, like you said "plastic" and murky in parts of the face like one Eye almost invincble. That's also true.. Looking better to the naked eye and looking accurate are 2 different things. You not know what you are talking about. MP's shots have a black crush second to none. Have you seen any calibration files for MP's CRT? ? Light output??? Gamma?? If not, then you have no scientific validation anymore than he does.
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Post by wolfman on May 9, 2018 9:02:35 GMT -5
I know, I have been shown that, but from a far MP have better colors that I like, that's what I'm saying. I like a chrome helmet to look chrome and not bronze. But I have no say in the matter but was asked a question so I answered. We'll soon know if my pj looks weird up close too - or really dark overall. My latest set was sent back because they didn't fully function so more than just silly dark then, unreparable so he made me a knew VIM 02 and took his usuall time but said he could take his time. If one pushes him he might not give it his all to make all the mods I paid for so took it easy. I have them on now, and tested breefly when the pj was working, but the remote was not and for what I can recall they are acting like they should. But since then I actually picked a few pointers here and there what to look for in terms of brightness and such. I don't have to know much Kurt will jump at the chance to say they look weird or so. He will tell me.
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Post by stridsvognen on May 9, 2018 9:28:46 GMT -5
I know, I have been shown that, but from a far MP have better colors that I like, that's what I'm saying. I like a chrome helmet to look chrome and not bronze. But I have no say in the matter but was asked a question so I answered. We'll soon know if my pj looks weird up close too - or really dark overall. My latest set was sent back because they didn't fully function so more than just silly dark then, unreparable so he made me a knew VIM 02 and took his usuall time but said he could take his time. If one pushes him he might not give it his all to make all the mods I paid for so took it easy. I have them on now, and tested breefly when the pj was working, but the remote was not and for what I can recall they are acting like they should. But since then I actually picked a few pointers here and there what to look for in terms of brightness and such. I don't have to know much Kurt will jump at the chance to say they look weird or so. He will tell me. Its not that hard to look at, the source file is what you feed the projector, so thats what you would like to get out, you use a calibrated monitor to evaluate your shots, so you have a fair idea what your working with. Mike talks about clipping not having a clue what the source material is, evaluating it true a broke videochain, and a camera he aparently cant find out to operate, and caling it reference, its so sad that someone can be that blind that they wont admit he lacks around 80% of the information from the source files on his screenshots, and still keeps telling others whats right and wrong, and describing a source file as bad colors and enhanced upscaled DVD.. Why would someone think a guy that have that poor skills at evaluating image quality can mod something that will look like what? He dont know what to look for, and how its surposed to look like.. There is a good reason there is standards, They dont apply to MP as he invent his own image standard along the way, and his never ending excuses, and repremending others who actually know some, and do a effort to show it, treating them as enemies, explaining how bad thair pictures look, and how wrong everything is, and then explain to everybody how its surposed to look, and thats like his ultra low res images with heavy white and black clipping, ill guess he clips around 30% ire, and then again around 70% ire, nd holds a resolving around 20% of the pixel resolution, as he have some extreme enhancement going on in the camera that totally destroys all details. Wolfman if you like what Mike do evaluating a 10" image from 10m away, and think it looks great, thats compleetly ok, but the debate is more objective than that, and about objective evaluation of image quality, using a source file as reference, and most uf us look at a 110" 2,4m wide screen from around 2,4m back. now go take Mikes screnshots up on your projector screen, compare it to the movie, and tell me how much you love it, and please dont do it with the boards he have molested, there is also a good reason why some of us have bothe CRT and digitals to compare and evaluate+ various monitors and TV sets. |
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Post by wolfman on May 9, 2018 9:45:01 GMT -5
There is Another MP thing that only he will know why they are posted and those are the really dark ones, while the day Before some that are really good looking. You can't say they all look dim some are very good and those I comment on. It can't be all camera it's more than likly other sets of boards he's trying out. I will try mods and no mods eventually. Looking forward to it but that chrome helmet should look chrome and no other color that much I do know. Or at the very least that's how I like it, the rest of the images also look the way I want it (the Bright ones) so perhaps a personal thing with me.
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Post by stridsvognen on May 9, 2018 9:51:32 GMT -5
There is Another MP thing that only he will know why they are posted and those are the really dark ones, while the day Before some that are really good looking. You can't say they all look dim some are very good and those I comment on. It can't be all camera it's more than likly other sets of boards he's trying out. I will try mods and no mods eventually. Looking forward to it but that chrome helmet should look chrome and no other color that much I do know. Or at the very least that's how I like it, the rest of the images also look the way I want it (the Bright ones) so perhaps a personal thing with me. If you know just a tiny bit about how to operate a camera, you know that you can expose a very very dark image so it looks very bright, then if you know a bit more you go check out the exif files on the pictures, and it gives you a fair idea whats going on. You base your opinion not having a clue whats going on, your the last man trying to justify Mikes pictures and mods.. Now i offered you a bet, if your MP mods will measure and perform on level with what im running, ill give you a NIB NOS Marquee 9518LC Ultra delivered and setup wherever in the world you would desire, if your MP mods cant do that, you just put together every Piece of Marquee stuff you have and deliver it on my doorstep, thats how sure i am that MP cant make anything work these days, no matter how much money you feed him, and how patient you are. |
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Post by jbmeyer13 on May 9, 2018 10:07:10 GMT -5
but that chrome helmet should look chrome and no other color that much I do know. The image on your screen should look like the screen cap. That's the objective point and you not liking a bronze tinted helmet is irrelevant when it comes to evaluating the quality of the video chain. Having said that, one other thing to be aware of is that many older films have been altered over the years as new/remastered versions come out. Peter Jackson altered the BD LOTR box set edition to have more of a goldish tone which annoyed die hard enthusiasts. If the screen cap used for analysis differs from an older or newer version of the disc then it can't be an apples to apples comparison. Gladiator is an old movie shot on film which has undoubtedly made the rounds with multiple versions across multiple formats. It would be better to use newer content where finding a common standard would be far easier. |
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Post by wolfman on May 9, 2018 10:11:41 GMT -5
Lets' move on to other things like screen cap or better yet a bluray shot of the chrome helmet. Then you tell me what color it has on your end and I assure I will say it's not chrome on my end. Humor me with that and we can have some fun.
I bought two sets of boards + return fees here and there to merit their faults + lost in the process - moome cards so I am on no sides here. I'm saying a chrome helmet should look chrome and not bronze. That's my Eyes aimed at the monitor telling me bronze sucks as the director intended. Same goes for the bearded man those also look really weird, while MP:s looks more Alive to me.
The biggest problem we have here is that you base your knowlage on him temparing with the photos while I say it looks good or not. As you all know it that's all I can say I don't know enough to have a real say in the matter.
No, let's go with new uploads of the two helmets and let more in on it whether they have that alloy or not.
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Post by wolfman on May 9, 2018 10:15:13 GMT -5
but that chrome helmet should look chrome and no other color that much I do know. The image on your screen should look like the screen cap. That's the objective point and you not liking a bronze tinted helmet is irrelevant when it comes to evaluating the quality of the video chain. Having said that, one other thing to be aware of is that many older films have been altered over the years as new/remastered versions come out. Peter Jackson altered the BD LOTR box set edition to have more of a goldish tone which annoyed die hard enthusiasts. If the screen cap used for analysis differs from an older or newer version of the disc then it can't be an apples to apples comparison. Gladiator is an old movie shot on film which has undoubtedly made the rounds with multiple versions across multiple formats. It would be better to use newer content where finding a common standard would be far easier. Sorry, you posted while I was typing. See, there Kurt, he had alternate explonation why the helmet look the way they do other than MP temparing with the camera. |
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