Not much details yet This is a board I made based on the XG-VNB project, for Electrohome Marquee. It is supposed to be a direct competitor to Mike Parker's mods with increased build quality, less lead time and better performace (actually the goal was simply to reach: THE ULTIMATE PERFORMACE). To reach this a completely new circuit approach was needed, then this board was born...
The boards still have to be tested in a projector, but on the bench they measure well. They take 0.7V input, contain the contrast control, brightness control and OSD/menu injection, with vertical blanking, even there is an experimental gamma circuit for the blue. All this practically mean the you just have to hook the Moome card right to the neckboard, supply the auxiliary signals and you're all done, shortest possible video chain. This also opens more oportunity to spread Marquee neckboards into other projectors, since only very little tayloring would be needed.
What is the tape over on the left side of that top board?
It is actually a copper plate acting as a heatsink soldered on the regulator, without that I found the regulator a bit too hot for my liking, but much smaller heatsink would also be enough as it turned out. That board is with gamma corrector type-a, the other boards are fine without extra heatsink.
I now decided to let you know more about the details of the design. I share now the principle of operation along with the schematic drawings.
So this design still uses the good old AD835, but in an unusual application. The whole thing is centralized around the fact that the AD835 has an output function of W=X*Y+Z (the AD834 don't have the "+Z" input).
The video input is directly tied to the input Y, the contrast signal is fed to input X, at input X there is an analog switch, that can toggle between the contrast voltage (normal operation) and the ground (blanking the input). Then there is the Z input where again there is an analog switch, that is toggled between the OSD/testpattern signal source and the ground.
-During normal video, the contrast voltage is fed to X and Z is grounded. so the OSD/testpattern is bypassed. The analog switch might have a crosstalk, but even then it is conducted down to the ground through its Rds(on), so in fact a quite good rejection is achieved this way. The output therefore is: W=Y*X+0
-When OSD/test pattern mode is on the X input is grounded (aka. muted video input) but the Z (OSD) signal is let through ie. W=Y*0+Z.
-During blanking the Marquee switches back to OSD source and injects blacker than black level through the Z input (OSD)
The AD835 when properly used has about -60dB rejection to the input signal when it is multiplied with 0, on the other hand the dynamic range of each color is only 48dB (as it has 8bit resolution)
However in this way the OSD/test pattern is not affected by the contrast setting, and makes the built in stair step pattern meaningless, but I don't think this would be a real problem.
So all needed feature was done only by playing around the AD835, but nothing was put in the video path, only the AD835, but you can't omit that, since some sort of contrast controlling is needed anyway...
The AD835 is slew rate limited by the first hand, that means high output voltage cost a lot of bandwidth, on the original 02p VIM therefore the output was not even properly terminated for the 75Ohm transmission line, still about 25% signal loss occuring on the coax cable through the VNB. By putting this small board right at the VNB you gain this 25% signal level (that translates to bandwidth overhead), and the input level requirement is still the same.
With this circuit I measured around 1,5ns rise/fall times at 0.7V output (1 pixel at 1080p 72Hz is 5ns wide) which is still plenty fast.
There is a separate low noise +/-5V power supply for each board that also feed the adjacent VNB's +/-5V line too.
The gamma correction is also "interesting" for the blue. With these multipliers used in CRT applications it is often overlooked that all inputs are actually high bandwidth capable, So unlike to the VIM the gamma is not added to the output signal as a serial element.
The input signal is monitored (before contrast control) and is fed to a high speed difference amplifier whether the input is higher or lower than the threshold and this simply modulates the contrast voltage, even if it is only one pixel wide. Again, the AD835's all input is high speed capable.
This gamma circuit is a so called ECL inverter with emitter degeneration. It is tuned such way that if the input voltage is larger that the threshold level it produces a (linearly) proportional output voltage, depending how much the difference is between the input and the threshold. This voltage modulates the actual contrast voltage and yield a square-like mathematical function (see simulations) - the gamma curve.
This thing is basically working, but there are problems still operating in the Marquee: The Marquee is a damn huge noise generator. Putting the VNB-DB on a VNB in a bare stock machine will make a lot of running "sparks" appear on the screen. A noise that is picked up by the daughterboard (interestingly in the NEC XG I had no such problem with a similar setup). Better grounding / shielding does not help. The noise is coming from two sources as it turned out, once it comes from the HDM's scan regulator supply (later ULTRA HDMs came with proper filtering for that rev. 8 or newer I think). The other source is the LVPS, especially the standby section (that generates the filament voltage as well). I could lower the LVPS noise with adding LC filtering, but the noise is still not completely gone, and I am currently working on the ultimate solution here.
The main reason why I revealed these things is to help others (who are technical minded enough) to mate this design with other top projectors like Barco 909, or Sony G90 -as I don't have any of these machines. A marquee VNB paired with my daughterboard result in a complete video block, only the interfacing have to be solved for other machines (and the power requirements of course).
Is it now OK to build a board for personal use (not for resale), slthough I won't give away PCB designs, so either you have to invest your time in the PCB design, or buy a set of blank PCB from me at 30USD. I'll still undertake making complete board / modsets, once the power supply issue is fully sorted out.
wildone: I don't think the B chip is at fault. The lead-free manufacturing process and solder balls used are more likely the culprit as the BGA still works after reballing
Feb 26, 2021 8:06:43 GMT -5
trloki: Hi Todd, Same problem Onkyo TX-NR646, any help on how to fix it plz?
Feb 25, 2021 1:35:18 GMT -5
btrial: poppabradj I have the same problem with Pioneer VSX-1131, after uprating firmware through NET. Now I cannot access neither NET nor Bluetooth, and also updating through USB doesn't work giving 0-81 error. If you have found any fix let me know.
Feb 7, 2021 15:37:42 GMT -5
poppabradj: Hello Everyone, I have a Onkyo TX-NR656 Can model and it's giving me error 0-81 when I try to update from a USB... I think i have corrupt firmware, becasue I had no access to NET, Bluetooth feature. The On screen display never Error 0-81 now.. please Help
Jan 7, 2021 21:33:29 GMT -5
gjaky: Hi Craig, Why do you need it? I mean with multi channel amplifiers all channels are the same, it is usualy possible to find at least one working channel so you can identify (or at least guess) component values for repair
Nov 16, 2020 2:53:07 GMT -5
craigr: Actually, I have been unable to find schematics or a service manual for the Lexicon LX-7 or LX-5 amps. Of anyone has a copy I would highly apreciate it.
Oct 31, 2020 15:28:59 GMT -5
analogrocks: Those are pretty pictures! Set one up running a ps1 or NES and sell them as retro gaming projectors. OR post them to me. Just put the stamps in the corner. Should make it just fine
Aug 28, 2020 16:28:01 GMT -5
iwwy1969: Hi all. Nice forum. I have Onkyo TX-NR616 no sound and no usb access. I have 5v at usb. I found that oscillator close to DSP is not working. It has no voltage feed from DSP. During the testing through display DSP shows version D??? .
Jul 13, 2020 8:25:33 GMT -5
lfcfan: Hi Todd, have been reading endlessly about the topic, and I really don't think that I'll be capable to 1. do the job myself as I don't have enough of the right equipment, and it looks like only the people who have access to TI exclusive distribution networ
Apr 9, 2020 17:17:06 GMT -5
skydronelink: Thank you I advance
Jan 29, 2020 4:01:41 GMT -5
skydronelink: Hi Repairaj, I have the same issue, but I am not able to get the cap value, I can tell it is the same board but deffirent rev cause of the side CAP is not the same value ! any idea how I can get the right burnt cap value?
Jan 29, 2020 4:01:31 GMT -5
skydronelink: Hello Jerme, thank you for the those images, is there is any chance to get the C2 (Cap) value or an image for it ? Thank you in advance.
Jan 27, 2020 23:15:06 GMT -5
skydronelink: Hello Sergio, I have the same issue, but I am not able to get the cap value, did find out what is the cap value?
Jan 26, 2020 18:01:17 GMT -5