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Post by tums on Nov 3, 2016 15:31:39 GMT -5
Okay, here we go. I placed the original card back and selected 1680x1050, because this gives me a good picture. Well, it gave me a good picture, I've set all the settings in the middle position. But that's the least of my problems. I connected my scope to the green RGB signal on the yellow cables between the port 3 board and the RGB decoder, put the zero line one square beneath the middle line. Mabey it's not the right way, but I put de scope in AC mode to get a complete picture on the screen. My knowledge of videosignals is limited, but I think I can make a point. To have a nice steady picture I selected a 100 IRE picture. This gave me the following screen: You can see that the voltage difference of the signal is about 0,7V. So now the same trick with the moome card inside. To see the whole signal, I had to adjust the zero line. On the next picture you can see that the difference is now about 1,3V. By adjusting the gamma from maximum to minimum I could bring the signal down to 1,0V. Then I was curious what would happen when I put the scope in DC with the zero line on the bottom line of the bottom square. You can see, the signal is lifted to 0,05V and has a maximum of 1,0V. So, that would explaine the question of moome about the 0.7V to 1.0V. For a good picture I need a 0.7V signal and the moome card gives out a 1.0V signal. Back to emailing Moome for a solution.
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Post by tums on Oct 2, 2016 19:09:50 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. This week I'm away from home, I'll test it when I'm back. So be patient and I'll tell the results here.
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Post by tums on Oct 1, 2016 16:08:33 GMT -5
That's not the answer I was hoping for. Because of the reply of Moome I would like to measure the internal videosignal of the Barco. But, like I mentioned before, all the documentation I find is for the 1209s. The videochain of a 1209s is different from my 1209/2. Is there anyone who knows where to hook up my scoop? After all the answers I think it's the last thing to check before I send it back.
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Post by tums on Sept 30, 2016 5:35:23 GMT -5
I tried different settings on the Dune, from 1024x768, 720p and 1080p with different settings and the 1650x1050 settings I used with the Fury and Gammax. I tried also Dune - Barco Moome Card, no changes. The picture stays dark. So, without the Moome card, everything is fine (except the green picture on HD signals). With the Moome card, every settings delivers a dark picture (luckily no green picture anymore). Also another input of the Moome card makes no difference.
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Post by tums on Sept 29, 2016 17:18:10 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, A Dune is a mediaplayer who plays almost everything. It even supports Blu-Ray Menu. dune-hd.com/eng/products/full_hd_media_players/14I'm using it for a while now. I used it also on the Sony IFB-FullHD card from Moome without any problems. The resolution I used and want to use again is 1920x1080 at 60Hz. I found some time this evening to reset all the blocks and put all the settings in the middle position. With the original setup the image is still green. Placed back the Moome card and checked the yellow cable, but found no problems. Unfortunatly the picture is still dark. I tried to find a setting for 0.7 - 1.0, but I found nothing. On the Sony I adjusted the videosignal with a scope to 0.7V, so I assumed Moome meant a physical adjustment inside the Barco
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Post by tums on Sept 28, 2016 17:47:21 GMT -5
Okay, time for some/my history lessons.
I bought a Barco 1209/2, because I wanted a brighter picture. I was projecting with a Sony 1292 with a internal moome card. For the content I use a Dune HD Smart B1. Because the Barco is not a S version, I wanted to use Port 3. The Dune is connected to my Onkyo SR608 Reciever. The HDMI output goes thru a Purelink HDFury 1 and a GammaX on Port 3.
Dune HD Smart B1 - (HDMI-HDMI) - Onkyo SR608 - (HDMI-DVI) - PureLink HDFury 1 - (VGA) - Purelink GammaX - (VGA-SUB9) - (Port 3) Barco 1209/2
The HDFury 1 and GammaX have their own 5V power. The problem is, I can't get a good picture with HD content. I even build an inverter for the sync signals, but every combination fails, even on port 5. The highest resolution for me is now 1680x1050. This is not a 16:9 signal, so I forced the Dune to 16:9. At this resolution the picture has the right colours.
Selecting a HD signal will give me a very green picture which is off centre.
I read that changing the porch setting sometimes lets the Barco accept the signal better, but my knowledge of video is to small to know what to do. The only time Barco mentioned porch is adjusting the clamping of the signal in Picture Tuning. The problem is that in Picture Tuning I have no option for clamping op port 3 or 5.
Walking thru the menu of the projector I discovered that playing with the H Phase in Geometrie shifts the picture over my screen and at some values the green dissapears. I'm left with a red/blue picture. There is no settings to get the right colours (white text).
The Dune has the following resolutions: 1080p 60Hz 1080p 59.97Hz 1080p 50Hz 1080p 30 Hz 1080p 29.97Hz 1080p 25Hz 1080p 24Hz 1080p 23.976Hz 1080i 60Hz 1080i 59.94Hz 1080i 50Hz 720p 60Hz 720p 59.94Hz 720p 50Hz
Like I mentioned above, I've made an inverter for the H and V sync signals with a 7405. I tried every resolution above with all possible settings. That means selecting a resolution, look at the picture, invert the H Sync signal, look again, invert the V Sync signal, look again, selecting an other resolution and start inverting again. There was no picture or a disturbed picture or a picture with to much green in it. I tried this on port 3 and on port 5. With the current hardware it seems not possible to get a right picture.
If I understand correctly: I need a scaler who shifts the image in the right (middle) postion and then the green(isch) picture will be gone. Is it possible to make a shifter like the inverter? Probably not, I didn't found a schematic after a quick search. And because of the price of a second hand Extron (starting at $50 with shipping) it's better to take an approved solution in the form of a Moome card.
On Internet I found a Pixel Magic Plasma Enhancer PE1000-Pro Video Processor/Scaler. I tried to change the porch settings of the video signal. Call it lack of knowledge, call it bad luck, but I was not succesfull. Because the Sony with a Moome card was Plug and Play, my wife gave me a Barco Moome card. Now that's love, or she was sick of my complains. Unfortunatly, with my Barco it's not plug and play. The picture is to dark.
I wrote Moome this mail:
I recently I bought a Barco FullHD for my 1209/02. The shipping of EE735320684TW went perfectly, I only had no time to place the card. I have placed the card this week and the picture is sharp and stable. I use 1080P/60Hz from a Dune smart HD. The only problem is that the picture is dark. I searched the internet and found that wrong settings of the Barco could be the problem, so I changed the sync signal from slow into fast. No changes in picture. I also read that the H-Phase can also influence the brightness of the picture. In my case I could not improve the picture. So I tried different inputs, different HDMI cables and different sources, but no combination gave me a bright and light picture. Changing the resolution didn't work, in some cases the picture went darker. So, I don't know anymore. I asume that the FullHD print is already calibrated, so I didn't adjust anything on the print. Have you ever encounterd this problem? Do you know what the problem is? Do you have a solution for this dark picture. I adjusted the setting of the barco for brightness and contrast above 70 and even turned up these values on the Dune media player. I can now somehow see something, but it's far from perfect.
Moome gave me this answer: Dear Holland: is any adjustment in BARCO for input level 0.7Vp-p or 1.0Vp-p. if yes you need adjust to 0.7Vp-p. and for BARCO FULLHD card, you can check TP3 voltage with a multifunction meter. it should be calibrate at 0.88V let me know if you have any question. thanks
I bought the Barco from a "freak" who put enormous energy in adjusting this projector. Therefor I started with his resolution of 1600x900, adjusted the position of the barco relative to the screen and then tried to feed the Barco with a higher resolution. This is the reason why I didn't put the Barco back in to factory settings. Reading the reactions I think it's time to put all the settings back in the middle position.
This weekend and next week I'm abroad for my work, so everyone be patient. I will let you know what happens with the basic settings as soon as possible.
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Post by tums on Sept 27, 2016 16:59:02 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for your input. I did some testing and here are the results: Found the CRT Drive Mode and it was set to Normal. Selected Economic Selected Boost No big different, so on with checking the H-Phase H-Phase is 50 and all the blankings were zero, setting them to max only makes my screen smaller Back to my original situation: Dune HD Smart B1 - (HDMI-HDMI) - Onkyo SR608 - (HDMI-DVI) - PureLink HDFury 1 - (VGA) - Purelink GammaX - (VGA-SUB9) - (Port 3) Barco 1209/2 With this chain I can project fine in 1680x1050, but when I select 1080p I get a greenisch picture. But it's not dark anymore. Placing it back to 1680x1050 gives me back a normal picture. It's still not what I was used to with my Sony 1292, but that's finetuning and calibrating. Is it safe to say that the videochain inside the Barco 1902 is okay? If I look at the other prints inside and especially (what I think is) the RGB print all the potmeters are locked by red paint. It's a pitty I can't find the measuring point to check the video signal for 0.7Vtt. I tried other settings on the Moome card. I see some changes in the contrast of the picture, but I'm not able to crank up the brightness. Any other suggestions?
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Post by tums on Sept 26, 2016 17:50:40 GMT -5
Hello Mastertech, just checked it. The menu and internal testpatterns look as before I mounted the internal Moome card. It doesn't make a different which option I use, all the internal images look fine. I hope the picture gives an impression of the situation. Wkr. Bert
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Post by tums on Sept 25, 2016 14:15:44 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
I changed my Sony 1292 for a Barco 1209/2. After trying to project 1080p on my 120" screen in different ways without succes, I finaly bought a Moome Barco FullHD card. (http://www.curtpalme.com/BARCO-FULLHD.shtm) I also had one in my Sony which made it plug and play. So the setup is now: Dune HD Smart B1 - (HDMI-HDMI) - Onkyo SR608 - (HDMI-HDMI) - (FullHD) Barco 1209/2
The picture is finaly Full HD, but it is dark. Crancking up the controls on the Barco and even on the Dune still got no satisfying picture.
I contacted Moome and he was very helpfull. The video signal in the Barco should be adjusted to 0.7V and the FulHD card should have a power of 0.88V op TP3. Checking the power on TP3 was no problem (is 0.882V), but I wasn't able to find the right measuring point in the Barco 1209/2.
Is there anyone who can point me in the right direction? All the manuals I find are for the 1209s, which is different from the 1209/2.
Greetings from Holland.
Bert
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