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Post by jbmeyer13 on Jun 9, 2015 9:34:18 GMT -5
Apart from that he is using the htpc hdmi out. Now it is possible that his htpc puts out 4:4:4 and some blu ray players put out 4:2:2 but than the moome does the digital decompression in the end that will not make a difference in roll off. The roll off starts in the analogue chain. His newest moome should have the MP filters so will likely not cause roll off. He has a vim03 so unless that board was messed up by a modifier that board should not have roll off either. So the only thing left are the neckboards. I suggested Wolf to try some standard neckboard and he will make some screenshots. Wolfman's 03 VIM is one of MP's with the mini board. At least it was at one time as he posted some photos of it on Curt's site.
A while back I messed up one of my neck cards while playing around with resistors and had to send it back to MP for repair. In the interim I swapped in a bone stock VNB and it wasn't even remotely close in terms of performance. That makes sense since the op amps on the VIM and VNB were different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 11:16:50 GMT -5
Well I am trying to find out what happened. It looks like you got some good neckboards? On the other hand Mike told me he had a little roll of himself as that looked better and Strid told me the same. Strid has neckboards and a vim that do very high bandwidth. He posted pictures to impress us all made with a pattern generator. But than later he told me he did not use those as it did not look so good, to much noise I think.
So perhaps Mike lowered the bandwidth on purpose? Anyway in my case the stock neckboard has higher bandwidth and I am still finding the bandwidth overruling everything else. Might be my personal taste.
But as for Wolfman I know his neckboards are the same as mine and I also know Strids are the same as we compared them every detail. But perhaps Strid has a higher bandwidt vim?
What to conclude? Wolfman and I where unlucky and had bad neckboards to start with? That is what Mike said. You where lucky and had good neckboards to start with?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 11:28:58 GMT -5
Apart from this whole bandwidth discussion. My opinion is that doing a good setup with sharp focus is the most important. After that doing a good colour calibration is very important. After that a little more bandwidth still adds something. I see lots of Marquee that look grainy because of bad focus. You see it in the screenshots. A Cine 9 setup well has nothing grainy at all. Than you see all wrong colours and blacks that are red or something. You see people crushing blacks because wrong settings on video levels. Bandwidth comes as the last nice to have in my opinion but than it adds a lot. Shortly I will try the new style neckboards as they are very high bandwidth. I will just try to see if I am missing anything in the bandwidth area right now. I know I can push the contrast not so far with the new style neckboards so it will be just testing.
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Post by jbmeyer13 on Jun 9, 2015 13:38:10 GMT -5
Well I am trying to find out what happened. It looks like you got some good neckboards? On the other hand Mike told me he had a little roll of himself as that looked better and Strid told me the same. Strid has neckboards and a vim that do very high bandwidth. He posted pictures to impress us all made with a pattern generator. But than later he told me he did not use those as it did not look so good, to much noise I think. So perhaps Mike lowered the bandwidth on purpose? Anyway in my case the stock neckboard has higher bandwidth and I am still finding the bandwidth overruling everything else. Might be my personal taste. But as for Wolfman I know his neckboards are the same as mine and I also know Strids are the same as we compared them every detail. But perhaps Strid has a higher bandwidt vim? What to conclude? Wolfman and I where unlucky and had bad neckboards to start with? That is what Mike said. You where lucky and had good neckboards to start with? Kurt has 17 Marquee projectors and probably almost as many modified VIM/VNB. He posted a picture once on Curt's with his collection of VIM's and it was mind boggling. He's experimented with all of them and I'm sure he made various changes along the way. He's been extremely helpful to Mike (and to me for that matter) by sharing his experiences. Even with the latest round of modified boards there have been a multitude of combinations to find the best overall solution.
There was an older VIM front end that Mike had which I believe had higher total BW (when viewing a SMPTE) but it wasn't as linear coming out of black as the newer front end. I've seen photos Kurt took using this and also in person at Mike's a couple of years back. It's very sharp but overall the newer solution was deemed better because it tracks perfectly out of black. When the newer solution is used in conjunction with the mini board you can achieve near optimal results. Not just on SMPTE but in real world viewing.
With an 02 VIM (no mini board) there are ways to tweak the peaking to achieve a perfect static SMPTE shot. However, doing this results in unequal peaking across the 3 channels and that causes problems with linearity. We played with this on my 02 VIM last fall but ultimately reverted to equal peaking across the board. Adjusting peaking is not really lowering the BW so I wouldn't state that.
The VIM and the VNB need to use the same exact chips and they need the resistors matched. From what I hear the latest Moome's don't seem to be quite as good so ideally it needs to be an older Moome with correct filtering. If there are any inconsistencies then you'll not see the same results. This of course assumes there are no problems with the rest of the video chain and or projector.
In simple terms, there are A LOT of moving parts so it's easy to think the problem is in one area but in reality is in another.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 13:48:56 GMT -5
I have a modified Moome. I have the mini boards. I paid $1182 (plus $350 for new neckboards* that I clamed back after he said he felt not comfortable sending them after another 3 months waiting) and you come tell me it must be my mistake. I tried everything to find my mistake but Mike told me he made a mistake and my neckboards are not so good to start with.
I know the neckboards are worse than standard and I know it is not the vim or the moome.
You are trying to confuse everyone. Just read my facts. Also the wolfman uses hdmi so it can not be the pc. The moome perhaps a little but not so much.
* that was $350 under return of the old neckboards so I just paid another $350 for the mods I already should have had
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 15:04:03 GMT -5
So that was therapeutic again but as I only want to get that guy out of my head I am not going into more details. Who still believes getting the mods is a sweat road to travel I wish all luck in the world and study some literature on sociopaths  |
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Post by jbmeyer13 on Jun 9, 2015 16:43:47 GMT -5
I have a modified Moome. I have the mini boards. I paid $1182 (plus $350 for new neckboards* that I clamed back after he said he felt not comfortable sending them after another 3 months waiting) and you come tell me it must be my mistake. I tried everything to find my mistake but Mike told me he made a mistake and my neckboards are not so good to start with. I know the neckboards are worse than standard and I know it is not the vim or the moome. You are trying to confuse everyone. Just read my facts. Also the wolfman uses hdmi so it can not be the pc. The moome perhaps a little but not so much. * that was $350 under return of the old neckboards so I just paid another $350 for the mods I already should have had MP offered to refund you everything; right? Did you take him up on that? If he's willing to refund you I'm not sure I see what the problem is. You keep posting about this publicly and I'm not sure what you hope to gain. Is this your form of free therapy?
I'm not trying to confuse anyone. I addressed some things you mentioned (MP possibly lowering BW, Kurt posting perfect SMPTE shots, etc.). I also posted about my experience with the Moome which showed a substantial (not minor) difference once the correct filters were in place.
Someone on here offered to also buy your cards from you. Are you selling them?
Why don't you send them to Kurt for evaluation. If they turn out to be bad I'm sure he'll pay you for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 3:26:29 GMT -5
You do not get why I post here. I try to fix my boards. And yes I feel that a twenty year moderator should not bully me into not givng critics or saying negative points on the mods. I have done some inquiery and by example the barco board now offered was probable ment for Spotmatic however that did not end well because Spot being Dutch as me did not like the bullying. We know how to deal with untrusty traders from our past and yes Spot got a partial refund in the end. He said I hope Mike has changed. If you want more testemonies ask the moderator of this phorum. He encouraged me to tell my storie. Did you know the last words from Mike where tjat he would get back at me for claming my money through paypal? Since you keep asking I keep talking. If you want to protect your friend you better shut up |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 3:51:34 GMT -5
The problem with Mike is that he bullied me for things I had no idea I was doing wrong. First for mentioning I would get mods at all. Still do not know why that was. Than for mentioning there was a problem with the boards. He would get angry on discussing potting the boards. He would get angry when I asked did you send them as promised? Than he got angry because replaced all resistors after he told me to replace a few. I was not supposed to work on the boards. Than he got angry that I talked to Strid about the problem. Finally he got angry because I used my Paypal rights to get my last money back before christmas. As I said before he has no problem letting people wait forever as he likes his machine and he likes to mod and he is not interested in you at all. The only thing he is interested in is his pride on the phorum and that you praise him as often as possible. If you do that and not critisise or discuss with him. By God do not dicuss with him. You might get your boards when he is in a good mood.
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Post by nashou on Jun 10, 2015 6:49:32 GMT -5
The problem with Mike is that he bullied me for things I had no idea I was doing wrong. First for mentioning I would get mods at all. Still do not know why that was. Than for mentioning there was a problem with the boards. He would get angry on discussing potting the boards. He would get angry when I asked did you send them as promised? Than he got angry because replaced all resistors after he told me to replace a few. I was not supposed to work on the boards. Than he got angry that I talked to Strid about the problem. Finally he got angry because I used my Paypal rights to get my last money back before christmas. As I said before he has no problem letting people wait forever as he likes his machine and he likes to mod and he is not interested in you at all. The only thing he is interested in is his pride on the phorum and that you praise him as often as possible. If you do that and not critisise or discuss with him. By God do not dicuss with him. You might get your boards when he is in a good mood. Mike threatened me with leagal action years ago when I started the marquee thread on Curts site. He said I was slandering him ? I have no idea how. He doesn't like me for some reason. And I really do not know why. Oh well Just live well and be good to people and you will be rewarded in the end. Athanasios |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 7:35:52 GMT -5
Yes Nashou. Good you spoke. It is all part of the great manipulation game with no empathy for the others. He held my boards hostage untill he would see me react the right way on the phorum that I suspect. Well as long as they hold something on you we can be manipulated. Now he only has scare tactics left but somehow I seem to be the person to stand up even if I do not want it. Karma will rule On the end. Come what come.
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Post by jbmeyer13 on Jun 10, 2015 10:22:10 GMT -5
You do not get why I post here. I try to fix my boards. And yes I feel that a twenty year moderator should not bully me into not givng critics or saying negative points on the mods. I have done some inquiery and by example the barco board now offered was probable ment for Spotmatic however that did not end well because Spot being Dutch as me did not like the bullying. We know how to deal with untrusty traders from our past and yes Spot got a partial refund in the end. He said I hope Mike has changed. If you want more testemonies ask the moderator of this phorum. He encouraged me to tell my storie. Did you know the last words from Mike where tjat he would get back at me for claming my money through paypal? Since you keep asking I keep talking. If you want to protect your friend you better shut up 20-year moderator bullying you- who/what the hell are you talking about? I'm not here to protect anyone. MP is a big boy and can take care of himself. This thread just sounds like a bitch fest because you are a sour puss that he cut you off  If you genuinely want to fix the boards, send them to Kurt or did you burn that bridge as well? If so, then you probably should consider selling them. I'm not sure how anyone here is going to be able to precisely diagnose if/what the problem may be without having the boards in hand. I share my experience (specifically about the Moome) and you state that it will only have a small effect. This is not what I have found to be true. If you have spent any time talking with Kurt he'll agree that the entire chain needs to be carefully looked at. He has a slew of Moome cards that have different levels of performance and he went as far as to modify a Sony card for use with his Marquee. Mike actually sent his Moome to me by accident and it didn't work well in my machine at all because the filtering was different. When I received my card back it was like night and day. When Kurt was over here he saw a VIM/VNB combo that Mike made for him tested in Mike's machine that performed perfectly. However, when he arrived back in Denmark and installed the boards in his machine the results were not the same. That means there was a difference in something other than the VNB and VIM which caused the problem. I'm telling you this to illustrate the point that the problem can really lay somewhere else, not to defend Mike. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 10:57:16 GMT -5
Just more mindless mp cult talk. Learn to think and mod for yourself |
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Post by jbmeyer13 on Jun 10, 2015 11:11:52 GMT -5
Just more mindless mp cult talk. Learn to think and mod for yourself LOL...it's obvious you are another hot headed Euro idiot. Have fun being lost in the woods |
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Post by Admin on Jun 10, 2015 11:36:58 GMT -5
Ok, hopefully we are done now with the bickering, lol. I will only add that people are surely welcome to state their opinions and findings and others are welcome to refute them. I will not intervene until the back and forth serves no further purpose. So to conclude, all parties are welcome to continue this conversation. Just try to keep civilized. Thank you. The Management.......  |
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