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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 5:00:43 GMT -5
I think things where changed but I do only have the schematics of the board with a 5 less in the R number. Curt says they where more stable the new ones. Some pics. Top is the older one.
Small extra connector ir receiver rs232.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 5:03:56 GMT -5
I see some routing difference close to the heatsinc.
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Post by hulio on Nov 19, 2015 10:52:38 GMT -5
Yepp, definitely a difference between the two. Here some pics of my controllers. The one installed in my Cine 9 is R7631255, manufactured in 2003 and the spare one is R763125, manufactured in 2000.
Like i already mensioned, they have Cine 9 V2.21 soft. now, they work like they should and the fan noise is the same ( low ). Several PCB revisions has seen the light during the development of this controller. The PCB nr. of R763125 is 780822 rev.1 and the one from R7631255 is 780822 rev.4. On the new one, we can see indeed more components, connectors and a bit different lay-out. I doubt it is very relevant to the good working of the PJ, but theoretically newer should be beter. I do have the schematics of both, i will post them soon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 12:10:33 GMT -5
Do you think it is possible that there is a difference between Seos 919 v2.21 and Cine 9 v2.21? It is strange that my v2.21 was noisy. I have another old controller with v2.21 will try if that one is noisy too.
I agree that there is probable little difference. Someone said Barco had a lot of problems with the old controllers but that is said from the old convergence boards too and I have 7 that all work fine.
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Post by hulio on Nov 19, 2015 13:28:10 GMT -5
Fox, i don't think there is a SEOS/BR with 2.21 soft. As far as i know, V2.20, V2.13 and V2.21 were CineMax/Cine 9 specific software versions. Could be, like in my situation, that the controller was flashed with Cine 9 V2.21 bin. file but the Lattice chip was not overwritten. The issue we were talking about with Dummyload. Maybe here is also the difference between R763125 and R7631255. When i flashed the newer style controller from BR909 V3.11 to Cine 9 V2.21, the Lattice chip was overwritten too. The ID screen says Cine 9:
When i flashed the older style controller from whatever it was on ( remember, it was a dead controller ), the Lattice chip was not overwritten. The ID menu still says SEOS PRODAS:
I am not sure why you get diff. noise levels from both controllers. The version nr. should be relevant, not the ID.
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Post by hulio on Nov 19, 2015 14:04:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 14:51:10 GMT -5
This one says Seos prodas v2.20 I do not think someone messed with the software as they had paid service from Barco. This one does not seem so noisy but wait I can not say that because I have no focus board and no fans in the tray running. He your schematics are both R763125 it seems. Do you also have R7631255? Thanks!
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Post by hulio on Nov 19, 2015 15:33:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it is confusing. All i know is that V2.0 was a problem software. The highest for Cine 9 is V2.21 ( they stopped in 2003 ) and the 909 went some 9 years longer ( simulation market ) till V3.12. You should indeed compare the noise within the same circumstances. Swap only the controller in the same PJ, running the same resolution. If you look closely, you can see that the two schematics i just posted are not the same. PCB with revision 4 is definitely R7631255. Barco just didn't change the numbers on the lower-right part of the schematics.
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Post by dummyload on Nov 19, 2015 15:41:27 GMT -5
Some clarification. As far as I know there are different versions of the PCB of the controller, but the schematics are the same ?? .Chip I4, of lattice is programmed hardware,it's programmed to take care of the timming between the different chips in the core, they all are connected to the same data and adresslines so The lattice chip controls who is on and who is of (compare it with traffic lights) I do not yet have a drawing off the connections that has to be made. Any programmer that supports a 29f800b should work in theory ,i used the TL866cs progger with socket adapter to support the 29f800b ,so i first bought a 29f800b so i could test the progger surely workt , and it did. So there are two 29f800b memories on the controller (I6 andI7) ,some steps have to be taken so the progger only sees I6 or I7 (so nothing blows up when connecting together) You can power the controller up with an external power supply of 9v through sr4 ,current is between 0.8A and 1.3A. I used a five dipswitches to make the different modes. You have to follow the following sequence.
Firstly you have to reset the whole core with dipswitch1, this is done by pulling the line "RST.ISPEN" to zero (massa). Secondly you have to bring the lattice chip I4 in program mode ,this brings the outputs off the lattice chip in tristate mode with internall pullups (100k),this is done by pulling the "ISPEN" line to zero. (pull line " SDI" and "SCLK" to zero with 1k resistor ,to prevent this lines from floating ,to be shure nothing happens to the contents off the lattice chip ,that would distroy the board ,nowbody has the fusemap to reprogram the lattice chip , only barco has) Thirdly we have to select the memorie that we want to read or write to ,because there are two memories there are two dipswitches for select a memories one for I6 and one for I7 , of course )only one can be set at a time , this done by connecting line " CS.FL0 " (I6) or "CS.FL1 " (I7) to the " CE " line of the progger.(pin26) Fourtly we have to release the reset of the memories only ,this is done by pulling line " DIS.RST.FL " to zero. Now you can read out or write to the selected memorie .
Better would be to connect the reset line of the memories to the reset line of the progger (pin12) but then you have to invert the signal, so i manualy give a reset between every read or write with the dipswich of the fourth step.
The plug itself is the biggest challence, but latter on that. To be clear i'm not responsble for any damage to controller progger or bought ,use it only if you now what you're doing.
I had to ad a resistor on the progger to because the data and adress lines from the controller are pulled to 5v through 100k internal. The progger does not expect any voltage on its lines and without the resistor i had always socket error.
I hope you can make something out of it .
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Post by dummyload on Nov 19, 2015 16:04:05 GMT -5
Forgot this first thing to do is connecting the massa (ground) of the progger with the massa (ground) of the controller , i do it with wires with crocodile style connectors.
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Post by mastertech on Nov 19, 2015 16:41:32 GMT -5
What is "massa"? I don't think it is translating correctly.
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Post by hulio on Nov 19, 2015 17:09:24 GMT -5
He means ground, Mastertech.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 17:47:03 GMT -5
Well I know 100% certain that 2.21 on the old controller was more noisy than 3.12 on the new controller. I only exchanged the controller and sold to Curt informing him on that. Would be pretty stupid if I told that when I did not hear it. And I know certain that I am not going to downgrade the new controllers as they are pretty quiet.
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Post by hulio on Nov 19, 2015 18:47:38 GMT -5
No one is asking you to downgrade Fox. Nobody than you can tell the difference. If is less noisy, keep it that way. Have you tested both controllers on your Cinemax or one of the SEOS 919 ? I ask because the fan-speed regulating boards R763706 in the Cinemax takes care that the fans run slower. The controller keeps an eye not only on the temperature but also the speed of the fans. Also, the position of jumper S1 on the focus board is relevant for fan noise ( +FAN or +12V ). The whole point here is that we all experience different things with regards to cooling circuit. My so called dowgrade to V2.21 but with addition of those extra boards plus metal baffles ( identical to CineMax/9 ) make the PJ less noisy. On your machine, V3.12 works beter while on Case's Cinemax V2.21 gives beter result too, even without the extra board in the back. So we are trying to find the logica, that's all. Let's hope we can enjoy our PJ's for years to come.
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Post by Casethecorvetteman on Nov 19, 2015 18:58:08 GMT -5
I dont have any fan regulator boards in my Cine 9, they dont seem to do anything.
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